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theoretical knowledge. He could weave it into his life if he saw just how it was going to work. You appoint somebody and he does this. You appoint a code committee and the code committee does that, then they consult with this and that group. You hold a public hearing, and so forth. (By the way, we didn't have the public hearing provisions in the act. They were an invention later on.) So he got that part all right, and he got the public works part. I, of course, laid that on thick, because I knew Douglas was opposed to it. I pointed out to him that Johnson and Tugwell and their group thought that the public works part ought to be a part of this bill, and ought to be administered as one whole recovery program, instead of having a separate public works act.

He said that might suit Lew Douglas too.

I said, “I don't know that it does, for my impression is that he's opposed to having it mentioned at all.”

I remember the President saying, “Mmmmm. Well, we'll have to see about that.”

I tried then to say, “Well, now, do you want public works, Mr. President, or don't you?”

He wasn't ready to answer. He said, “Well, we'll see.” Anyhow, I posted him on the bill, and we brought the





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