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agreed that I could put that to the men. I said to him, “I doubt very much that they'll accept that. I doubt very much if any of these people in the automobile union, or any of their advisers, would agree to that. That's not the kind of thing they usually agree to. They're very resentful over the idea that you won't speak with anybody who doesn't work for the General Motors, because the whole idea of a union is that the members who work for a particular employer are more coarageously represented by people who don't work for that employer, but who are hired by them and don't work for any employer. They may have come out of the automobile industry, but they are set aside to do the bargaining.”

“Well, we don't run and hide behind things like that. Why have they got to hide behind somebody for? We don't. We do our own talking.”

“Oh,” but I said, “Mr. Sloan, you do hide around I won't use that word. You do get yourself represented by lawyers in tough cases, don't you?”

“That's different. That different.”

“They don't think it's different. You get a lawyer to represent you when you've got a tight legal case, or a tight price case, or when you've got a dispute of any sort. He will represent you more competently and with less emotion than you can yourself.”