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took them over to the White House before they came to any conclusions about an organization. McIntyre let them go into some room that was not in use at the moment while they were waiting to see the President.

At any rate, they talked over the business of an organization. Johnson said, “The first thing the President is going to ask you is ‘Who've you got for your chairman? Who's your spokesman? Who's your secretary and who's your treasurer?”’ He exhorted them to have an organization. How much they thought about it, I don't know, because they literally didn't know each other. I had questioned a number of them earlier. I went over to the White House with them, as did a couple of our people. I found that they knew very little about each other. They had the vaguest acquaintanceship with each other - no real trust-worthy understanding.

Finally they went in to see the President, who, after all, had only a few minutes to give to them. He had been briefed by Johnson, or somebody, to say something or other to them. He made a little address to them, in which he said that, of course, any group of people who wanted to form a union or an association had a right to do so, but that before we could really help them with a code or do anything for them they would have to have a bona fide