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an alien held to be deportable for advocating the overthrow of the government by force and violence. That's one of the causes of deportation - if he becomes a criminal, if he was illegally admitted, if he becomes a public charge, or if he advocates the overthrow of the United States government by force and violence. That had been the immigration law for years. I had never actually faced up to what that meant, because we hadn't had very many cases of that sort. They don't occur every day naturally. The greatest number of deportation cases that he had were of persons who had become public charges, or persons who had entered the country illegally, which sometimes were under circumstances which were humanly quite comprehensible - they'd sneaked across the border to join their husbands, or that sort of thing. We had had very few of these other cases, although in the Bureau of Immigration they had a number of cases which went back several years in which they had successfully deported XYZ on grounds that he advocated the overthrow of the government by force and violence.

Well, we had quite a lot of discussion about what we should do, and how we should proceed. None of us was very much impressed by the evidence, or by the character of Milner, who had produced this evidence.