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know anything about that phase. I don't think Arthur Salter knew, because I think I sent Sherwood to Salter, saying, “Salter might know, because Salter knows a lot about what Hopkins was doing.”

Anyhow, Sherwood spent a lot of money doing that book and an awful lot of time. I think the publication date was postponed three or four times as Sherwood would run into a new tangle because something that he supposed was true was proved not to be true. Other information came in to upset it. It was a pure act of friendship. I remember his saying that he had to get back to his own work. Miss Liberty was supposed to recoup him for his losses of time and effort on this. I don't know that it did, but it was the thing that he did in the throwback from this. I think it's the burest act of friendship I ever saw, because it must have been a terrific job.

Yet, it's a beautiful job. A great deal of it was material that he didn't know anything about. He often knew that someone was doing something because he was there at the time, but he didn't know what they went for, or what they talked about and so on. People are around and see things, but if they don't have the responsibility for the particular thing they don't try to