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that he probably had gotten some measure of Knox's personal qualities and personal character, the degree of his loyalty, cooperativeness, and so on, from somebody who knew him well. I remember thinking then that it was probably Ickes. At any rate, Ickes spoke right up in great praise of Frank Knox, of his ability, integrity, loyalty and patriotism, and of what Ickes believed would be his entire willingness to bury the hatchet of partisanship in the interest of conducting this period of the government's life, with the war going on in Europe and the necessity for us to be everlastingly watchful in building up our defenses.

That was discussed. I don't remember much of what anybody else said, but I remember being very much surprised, because I had only known of Knox as the owner of a Chicago newspaper. Of course, Ickes spoke of that and spoke of it as being a healthy antidote to the McCormick interests there. I had known him as a Vice Presidential candidate on the Republican ticket. Everybody thought well of him, thought of him as a nice fellow. He had run with Landon. At the time everybody thought that Knox was a superior person to the Presidential candidate with whom he was teamed up. That was that.