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was what he got if we had a man like that. But under the war orders the employer couldn't always have what he wanted. He wanted ten able bodied men between the ages of twenty and thirty and he couldn't have them.

I don't think there was any pro-union or anti-union bias in the War Manpower Commission. The organized labor crowd were always screaming, but that was really because in some localities they had to employ non-union people. There was no way out of it. There weren't enough union members. On the whole, that part of it went pretty well, I think the Employment Service went pretty well. It was merely an expanded Employment Service. There were many more stations, many more units, many more people. The problem was to train people to be employment office people, and do a good job there.

That was all there was to it. That was all that was ever needed. Most of the regulations and so forth were just forth.

I don't know why Roosevelt turned from his original idea of using the old line agencies to this system of layering more agencies on top. I think the war brought to him a completely different set of pictures. The government was one way when there wasn't any war, but when there was war it was something else. It was as though that other government scarcely existed. He was a man with quite an imaginative faculty. He saw things in pictures. He saw agricultural